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  • OPT's Avatar
    419 posts since Aug '06
    • When you are looking at selecting exercises don't base it on muscles that are being trained, rather look at movement patterns. If I am talking to a coach or training and they start talking about what muscles they are training and not what movements I know that they don't know much.

      here are a list that you should be thinking about.

      Horizontal Push
      Horizontal Pull
      Vertical Push
      Vertical Pull
      Quad Dominant
      Hip Dominant
      Accessories (knee/elbow dominant, etc.)

      There needs to be a balance between all theses movements.

      Think about is then post any questions.

  • Marco_Simone's Avatar
    5,119 posts since Feb '04
  • OPT's Avatar
    419 posts since Aug '06
    • I would class the as an accessory but under vertical pull – think about the same action standing….

  • Simon Dean's Avatar
    3,812 posts since Oct '05
    • movements like clean and jerk, clean and press a variety of different movements right?

  • OPT's Avatar
    419 posts since Aug '06
    • Originally posted by Simon Dean:
      movements like clean and jerk, clean and press a variety of different movements right?

      Clean can be regarded ar hip dom - everything else combo like you said.

      clean press = hip dom + vertical push

  • borntolive's Avatar
    3,252 posts since May '05
    • Originally posted by OPT:
      When you are looking at selecting exercises don't base it on muscles that are being trained, rather look at movement patterns. If I am talking to a coach or training and they start talking about what muscles they are training and not what movements I know that they don't know much.

      here are a list that you should be thinking about.

      Horizontal Push
      Horizontal Pull
      Vertical Push
      Vertical Pull
      Quad Dominant
      Hip Dominant
      Accessories (knee/elbow dominant, etc.)

      There needs to be a balance between all theses movements.

      Think about is then post any questions.

      err wad does this means?...for e.g if u do 3 hori push n must to 3 hori pull within the same workout day? that means its hori pull then push then pull then push n so on?

  • Marco_Simone's Avatar
    5,119 posts since Feb '04
    • Originally posted by borntolive:
      err wad does this means?...for e.g if u do 3 hori push n must to 3 hori pull within the same workout day? that means its hori pull then push then pull then push n so on?

      i tink 1 horizontal push+1 horizontal pull enough for 1 session.

  • Marco_Simone's Avatar
    5,119 posts since Feb '04
  • OPT's Avatar
    419 posts since Aug '06
    • A few questions to answer here...

      You don't have to do all in the same workout....

      Lets say you use a 3 day split

      Day 1
      Horizontal Push, Vertical Push, Accessories

      Day 2
      Quad Dominant, Hip Dominant, Accessories

      Day 3
      Horizontal Pull, Vertical Pull, Accessories

      Now there should be a balance here - esspecially between movements on the same plane - eg. horizontal.

      Now, for Dips.... if you analize the biomechanics it's actually horizontal push, vertical push could be military press.

  • Marco_Simone's Avatar
    5,119 posts since Feb '04
    • Originally posted by OPT:

      Day 2
      Quad Dominant, Hip Dominant, Accessories

      Squat and DL in the same workout???

  • borntolive's Avatar
    3,252 posts since May '05
    • ok some important qns

      then is it always necessary to stick for e,g 1 hori pull, push ,pull ,push..can do 2 diff hori pull, 2 diff hori push etc? or even 3?

  • OPT's Avatar
    419 posts since Aug '06
    • you can perform more that one exercise for each movement pattern as long as you keep balance...

      But the above program - if you do correctly, you will find tough enough and provide more than enough stimulation.

      If not come in to my gym - I'll take you through it and see if you are standing at the end!

  • dranoel maxwell's Avatar
    617 posts since Oct '05
  • Marco_Simone's Avatar
    5,119 posts since Feb '04
    • Originally posted by dranoel maxwell:
      just wanna ask a qns what is donkey calf raises under?

      smells like an accessory to me

  • OPT's Avatar
    419 posts since Aug '06
    • Originally posted by dranoel maxwell:
      just wanna ask a qns what is donkey calf raises under?

      accessory

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